Is Blogging Dead? Backchannel, Computers and Writing 2011

  1. #cwcon #e13 Is blogging dead? We settle the question in NQ2255. 17 minutes till the fracas starts!
  2. #cwcon #e13 Is blogging dead? An impassioned debate will make a great start to the morning.
  3. Krause: FB & Twitter sucking up bloggers; blogging dead as practice and most useful in relation to other social media around it. #cwcon #e13
  4. Is Blogging Dead? Steven Krause asks, do we mean the verb or noun? #cwcon #e13
  5. #e13 Dilger: commenting is dead. if the interactivity is gone, is a blog a blog? #cwcon
  6. Bradley Dilger -- commenting may be dead. Is a blog a blog if not interactive? Are trolls winning? Moderation requires effort. #cwcon #e13
  7. Dilger posits that blog *commenting* is dead (with a few exceptions). "If the interactivity is gone, is a blog a blog?" #e13 #cwcon
  8. Dilger -- retweets replace trackbacks, Facebook replaces comments. Sometimes this gains community effect. #cwcon #e13
  9. Thanks, #e13 #cwcon folks for all the updates. I *almost* came to that one, but I can follow fine from here in #e04
  10. Virginia Kuhn, plans to deliver wisecracks. #e13 #cwcon Rosenberg's notion of blogs. Binaries -- blogs privilege time over space.
  11. Blogs focus on the individual over the convo, text over other media [and is that a problem? ;) ] #cwcon #e13
  12. While we discuss the life & death of blogging in #cwcon #e13, I share C&W Day 1... on my blog: bit.ly/kTgSsC Am I blogging though?
  13. Kuhn: blogging is primarily textual, and will be subsumed by other media. (dead.) #e13 #cwcon
  14. Carrie Lamanna. "I have Joyce Walker Syndrome. I say that very lovingly." Academic blogs lack space in academic structure. #e13 #cwcon
  15. See all of Virginia Kuhn's "things I don't like about blog" binaries on her blog (embedded slides) is.gd/KHZfyQ #e13 #cwcon
  16. Students weren't using blogs for exploration, but were instead posting polished mini-essays. #cwcon #e13
  17. YES. RT @DennisJerz: Students weren't using blogs for exploration, but were instead posting polished mini-essays. #cwcon #e13
  18. #cwcon #e13 Carrie Lamanna: Making blog postsl assignments fit usual school constraints results in "formal school writing."
  19. Her students liked blogging about personal topics rather than academic assignments. Academic writing is not "organic". #cwcon #e13
  20. @carl_whithaus Yet, I wonder if what I just posted is really "blogging?" Twitter replaced what used to be "live blogging..." #cwcon #e13
  21. E.g. Liz Losh's blog Virtual Politik competes with her book Virtual Politik, for the time of an academic. #cwcon #e13
  22. #cwcon #e13 Is blogging really "blogging" if students must do it for class? Do we count posts? Length? Responses? Is that organic?
  23. #e13: blogs lack rhetorical context. not recognized as scholarship. #cwcon
  24. #cwcon #e13 But aren't blogs becoming a part of larger academic writing? I know of several profs who do include it in their review cycles...
  25. Liz Losh: Blog is frozen like Timothy Leary's head. #cwcon #e13 Blogosphere opens you up to personal scrutiny. "Sort of stopped."
  26. Losh hopes a mythical age will return and she will blog again. (She is paid to blog elsewhere.) And, "I have a book now." #cwcon #e13
  27. Losh: "Blogging is dead in the way that Latin is dead." "Latin is virtuous, it's good for us..." not an active practice. #cwcon #e13
  28. #cwcon #e13 I posted this ystdy, so sorry for repeat. But we're talking about blogging and @budtheteacher says it well: bit.ly/eVuq30
  29. #cwcon #e13 - If we apply the same expectations for academic discourse to a blog, why can't it be a serious part of the conversation?
  30. Brian McNely, blogging is "other" -- a different space that can trend formal or informal. Link in chain of literate action. #cwcon #e13
  31. "Blogging is dead, as dead as it can be; first it killed the hipsters, and now it's killing me." #e13 #cwcon
  32. Anil Dash says blogs are for big things. Clive Thompson sees them as short-form. #cwcon #e13
  33. #cwcon #e13 seems to be Rosenberg bit.ly/cwqdZ _say everything_contrasted w Shirky bit.ly/HTqj3 _here comes everyone_
  34. @irasocol @budtheteacher Thanks for sharing -- please join in the conversation with these hashtags: #cwcon #e13
  35. Blogs are one chain in a link of literate actions -- we read in one stream, comment in another. #cwcon #e13
  36. Blogs are a stable place, good ideas circulate. Dash says ideas can "accrete" in a blog, not in a flow based medium. #e13 #cwcon
  37. #cwcon #e13 Also, see Clive Thompson's great editorial on blogging/tweeting, and purposes for each: bit.ly/fWcxX1
  38. "Stupid Personal Life Stuff" blog. #cwcon #e13 2006 Pew said 28% young people had blogs.
  39. @irasocol @budtheteacher #cwcon #e13 We are listening to a panel at Computers and Writing responding to the question: "Is Blogging Dead?"
  40. Young people blogged less, older people blogged a little more by 2009. #cwcon #e13 126M blogs, 76000 of which updated in 24 hrs.
  41. RT @JalouxdelaLune: "Blogging is dead, as dead as it can be; first it killed the hipsters, and now it's killing me." #e13 #cwcon
  42. @hickstro my ?s- why do we blog? 4 whom? 4 what purpose? authentic/inauthentic? how do kids come to own their writing voice? #cwcon #e13
  43. #cwcon #e13 Medium-length/depth discourse absolutely has a home in blogs. A good transitional home on the way to longer form.
  44. If blogs are growing, how come it seems like they are dead? Where is it going? Corporations are blogging... sorta. #e13 #cwcon
  45. These corporate blogs may be counted as blogs in surveys, but they aren't blogs as we understand them. #cwcon #e13
  46. I'm telling you, it's religious moms. That's who's blogging. #cwcon #e13
  47. #cwcon #e13 every corporation has a blog.... true, but every corporate has a twitter presence as well.
  48. #cwcon #e13 What blogs are updated? Corporate blogs & news sites? If so, technically, a blog, (w/ RSS and comments) but is it "blogging?"
  49. Andre Peltier using the medium of the conference to advertise his blog. #e13 #cwcon
  50. How long can a blog live if it's not updated? (Clancy Ratlif says, never, as long as the RSS feed exists.) #cwcon #e13
  51. #cwcon #e13 I like this idea from Andre Peltier that there is this shift, this anxiety abt blogs to tweets ,to fb... some shift
  52. No, blogging is not dead, cf social media; news is still driven by citizen journalists with blogs. #cwcon #e13
  53. Long-form, searchable, archived, fixed medium are some things that blogs continue to achieve. #cwcon #e13
  54. The 4th estate is handling blogs; Academics can be the 5th Estate (Ulmer) #E13 #cwcon
  55. By they way, without hesitation, I am live tweeting, not liveblogging. #cwcon #e13
  56. #cwcon #e13 Blogging is a thread in the tapestry of online discourse. It has a place, and if we pull it out, the rest unravels.
  57. @pammoran #cwcon #e13 Right. We are having a conversation about the purposes for us, as academics, as teachers, and for our students.
  58. @vkuhn #cwcon #e13 yes. corporations have entered tweetstreams as well as blogosphere. is that the moment the medium/tool dies?
  59. @jenlmichaels #cwcon #e13 Right. Some teachers talk about blogging, but really they are setting up a call and response discussion forum.
  60. Steven D. Krause notes that Rebecca Blood's diary definition invokes diary. #cwcon #e13
  61. (I meant that her BLOG definition invokes diary. --DGJ
  62. RT No, blogging is not dead, cf social media; news is still driven by citizen journalists with blogs. #cwcon #e13
  63. #cwcon #e13 If corporations taking over blogs might make it dead... what about gov't entities?
  64. #cwcon #e13 RT @budtheteacher: I'd humbly offer this piece as my argument. It's dated, but the gist is still there. bit.ly/jCfHgB
  65. @Jeremybballer #cwcon #e13 Indeed, yes. However, it depends on how the teacher constructs the task and how students are engaged as writers.
  66. #cwcon #e13 blogging isn't dead, but comments are! (replaced by twitter, fb, social media)
  67. #cwcon #e13 Case in point -- CDC blog on Zombie apocalypse posted this week. tinyurl.com/3ertl7y
  68. Krause, "Why do people stop blogging?" Bloggers weren't interested in talking much. Some were in denial. #cwcon #e13
  69. BTW #cwcon #e13 There is no way that we could all be "live blogging" and having this backchannel. Monitoring Tweetdeck is easier than RSS.
  70. Krause: Once a blog produced some event like a book, that sort of fulfills the blog. #cwcon #e13
  71. RT @carl_whithaus: #cwcon #e13 blogging isn't dead, but comments are! (replaced by twitter, fb, social media)
  72. My mommyblog died because I felt too narcissistic. Also, people were spying on me. #cwcon #e13
  73. Losh: Students who chose to continue the blog or take it down learned a lot; those who abandoned it were otherwise. #cwcon #e13
  74. @phdaisy Discussion is straying. Talking about students blogging and trying to keep their blogs alive after the class ends. #cwcon #e13
  75. Students in teaching profession were most likely to want their juvenilia taken off the blogosphere. #cwcon #e13
  76. #cwcon #e13 @derbybeaver I know friends who took theirs down once they felt skeeved out by possible pedophiles and pics of their kids.
  77. Audience Q: Maybe this panel is really, "Is the academic blog dead?" Tech blogs are thriving, thanks to RSS. #cwcon #e13 Journalism, too.
  78. The backchannel is changing this conversation about blogging. The blog world is bigger. #e13 #cwcon
  79. Krause -- invokes Barbara Ganley's C and W 2009 talk, where the audience used the backchannel to react. #e13 #cwcon
  80. RT @DennisJerz: Students in teaching profession were most likely to want their juvenilia taken off the blogosphere. #cwcon #e13
  81. MCBurton, who is recording video and archiving tweets, mentioned his storyify page. Building narratives from microblogs. #e13 #cwcon
  82. Storify is the zombie life of both blogs and twitter. (That's going into the twitter stream... good quote.) #e13 #cwcon
  83. @carl_whithaus not only is blogging dead, twitter is dead and has been replaced by storify #E13 #cwcon
  84. Storify is the zombie form of blogger and twitter #cwcon #e13
  85. By the way, I've had to drag and drop each individual post from the left column to the right... is there a smarter way to do this in Storify? #pita --DGJ
  86. Thx 2 folks in #e01 for tweeting. Pls keep it coming! Loving the blog throwdown in #e13 but also wanted to see Angela Haas... #cwcon
  87. #cwcon what I said outloud #e13 "blogs and tweets are dead. storify is the zombie life of both"
  88. @phdaisy @storify It's the bestest. I've used it for class presentations for online classes, but the uses are endless. #cwcon #e13
  89. RT @carl_whithaus: #cwcon what I said outloud #e13 "blogs and tweets are dead. storify is the zombie life of both"
  90. RT @carl_whithaus: #cwcon what I said outloud #e13 "blogs and tweets are dead. storify is the zombie life of both"
  91. @carl_whithaus When corporations take over, it's time to continue to keep them honest ;-) #cwcon #e13
  92. Also, as an example of a smart us of social media by HS students, see @youthvoices and their website: youthvoices.net/ #cwcon #e13
  93. Survey: twitter is for old people. What is for young people? #cwcon #e13
  94. "Tweeting is for old people." #cwcon #e13 // Hey! I take offense to that!
  95. But is it just about Tweets? Seems convo is really about online broadcast/announcement media v. storage/"place for stuff" media. #e13 #cwcon
  96. #cwcon #e13 Staggering example of recursive discourse. We tweet, blog, tweet our blogs. We then aggregate tweets, fb, other back into blogs.
  97. #cwcon #e13 And isn't it interesting that none of the convo so far has been about the "credibility" of blogs as an academic/citation source?
  98. "We used to do this with the moo." (Transcribe, comment on and archive.) #e13 #cwcon
  99. #cwcon #e13 RT @MaryAnnReilly: Bakhtin writes meaning happens at points of utterance. 1 reason blogs appeal. It heightens that reality.
  100. I used to use ichat in classes + have students backchannel during class and then 'read' the transcript later which surprised all #E13#cwcon
  101. RT @carl_whithaus: #cwcon what I said outloud #e13 "blogs and tweets are dead. storify is the zombie life of both"
  102. Liz Losh -- blogs transmogrified by corporations into press releases. #e13 #cwcon
  103. RT @carl_whithaus: #cwcon what I said outloud #e13 "blogs and tweets are dead. storify is the zombie life of both"
  104. Losh -- as a paid blogger, now she still sees value breaking stories. #cwcon #e13 Blogs still let us use rhetoric to do what matters.
  105. #cwcon #e13 I've found it difficult to get my students beyond micro/blogging as a tool for narcissism.
  106. #cwcon #e13 defining blog/blogging is clearly contentious, but nobody's questioning "dead" yet. Gonna be convo circles until then.
  107. RT @hickstro: BTW #cwcon #e13 There is no way that we could all be "live blogging" and having this backchannel. Monitoring Tweetdeck is easier than RSS.
  108. Audience comment: are blogs they only good when they last? Maybe its okay if you try a blog, it does its job, and you move on. #e13 #cwcon
  109. Great analogy of blogging to marriage - a divorce can simply signal the end of a successful marriage rather than a failure. #E13 #cwcon
  110. great conversation about blogging - past, present, future at #e13 #cwcon
  111. @vkuhn #cwcon #e13 yes @lizlosh 's answer abt blogs as journalism, as public journalism is important
  112. RT @derbybeaver: "Tweeting is for old people." #cwcon #e13 // Hey! I take offense to that!
  113. Why blogs are important - citizen journalists like this guy: j.mp/ldvizi #cwcon #e13
  114. #cwcon #e13 Also, can we talk about the power of RSS and how, in effect, that change in the web's architecture has led to mobile apps?
  115. #cwcon #e13 Death as a culturally/pop-visible? Dead as an activity? Dead as useful for its old puposes? Reborn/zombie (CW) as Twitter/FB?
  116. #cwcon #e13 - RSS feeds have changed the nature of blogs as locations. Excellent comment!
  117. #cwcon #e13 cynthia ching says that rss feeds encourage loss of "place" from blog posts (answer to @hickstro 's ?)
  118. RT @carl_whithaus: #cwcon #e13 cynthia ching says that rss feeds encourage loss of "place" from blog posts (answer to @hickstro 's ?)
  119. Facebook and Twitter are making it harder to get RSS feeds out of their products. #cwcon #e13
  120. #cwcon #e13 rss feeds are the hidden part of this conversation.... read daring firewall
  121. #cwcon #e13 Twitter very much alive? Infographic on how Egypt used twitter for the January uprising. tinyurl.com/5s2aegy
  122. #cwcon #e13 Also, especially when filters exist, the only way that we can get to content is via the RSS feed. Site blocked. RSS not.
  123. We should care about open formats. Paging Karl Stolley #e13 #cwcon
  124. Blogging is not a product like Twitter or Facebook or Storify, it's a genre, so it will have a longer life. #e13 #cwcon
  125. @DennisJerz #cwcon #e13 Is "blogging" a genre? I think that blogs can be written in a variety of genres. Blogs are the medium. Thoughts?
  126. #cwcon #e13 - mark of a GREAT panel? Nobody, and I mean nobody leaves early. 10 minutes over, and still nobody's left. Wow.
  127. RT @DennisJerz: Blogging is not a product like Twitter or Facebook or Storify, it's a genre, so it will have a longer life. #e13 #cwcon
  128. RT @hickstro: @DennisJerz #cwcon #e13 Is "blogging" a genre? I think that blogs can be written in a variety of genres. Blogs are the medium. Thoughts?
  129. Some good discussion about archiving, value of backing up your Tweets. #cwcon #e13
  130. #cwcon #e13 Corporations and "coolchasers" will always find the hip new discourse venue, chase the original inhabitants out. Rinse. Repeat.
  131. @Dennisjerz the conference twitter stream is just enough to make you depressed for not being there #cwcon #e13
  132. E.12 panelists' response to #E13 ppl: Blogging not so much dead as it is asleep; blog is both a noun and a verb #cwcon
  133. @jenlmichaels Reverse-chron, with a deep awareness of the presence of archives (so that a link to the past replaces summary) #cwcon #e13
  134. #cwcon #e13 Some of the best-selling novels in Japan in the last few years were blogged/tweeted from cell phones. tinyurl.com/yonmdw
  135. Old news to ppl in #e13, but worth noting for posterity: by show of hands, nearly 1/2 the ppl in this room were backchanneling. #cwcon
  136. Audience Comment -- we still act and speak in the moment, but archiving means it has a permanence we didn't expect. #e13 #cwcon
  137. Blogging: dead, other, undead, zombies, or... the Borg? #e13 #cwcon
  138. #e13 #cwcon @brencroft And, isn't this the same as it ever was? Dickens serialized his work, right? bit.ly/mICZrl
  139. RT @hickstro: #e13 #cwcon @brencroft And, isn't this the same as it ever was? Dickens serialized his work, right? bit.ly/mICZrl
  140. RT @jenlmichaels: Old news to ppl in #e13, but worth noting for posterity: by show of hands, nearly 1/2 the ppl in this room were backchanneling. #cwcon
  141. RT @craniac Storify is the zombie form of blogger and twitter #cwcon #e13 So true!
  142. Anyone who was at 4c atl, compare #e13 #cwcon for sense of why we have plenty of work close to home before/while extending further out
  143. RT @kstedman: YES. RT @DennisJerz: Students weren't using blogs for exploration, but were instead posting polished mini-essays. #cwcon #e13
  144. RT @carl_whithaus: #cwcon #e13 blogging isn't dead, but comments are! (replaced by twitter, fb, social media)
  145. RT @carl_whithaus: #cwcon #e13 cynthia ching says that rss feeds encourage loss of "place" from blog posts (answer to @hickstro 's ?)
  146. Many thanks to everyone who participated in the #E13 blogging session, online and IRL. Lots of smart insights! #cwcon
  147. RT @craniac: @Dennisjerz the conference twitter stream is just enough to make you depressed for not being there #cwcon #e13
  148. RT @hickstro: #cwcon #e13 Also, see Clive Thompson's great editorial on blogging/tweeting, and purposes for each: bit.ly/fWcxX1
  149. RT @hickstro: #cwcon #e13 I posted this ystdy, so sorry for repeat. But we're talking about blogging and @budtheteacher says it well: bit.ly/eVuq30
  150. #cwcon #e13 Perhaps we shouldn't be asking, "Is blogging dead?" Instead, we might ask "Why do we (and our students) blog?"