- The other night on the Twitters, young bon vivant of the econoblogosphere and all around pissant, Noah Smith, voiced a critique of that ridiculously unintelligible (even for Graeber standards) piece that David Graeber did in the Baffler
Of Flying Cars and the Declining Rate of Profit | David Graeber | The BafflerDavid Graeber from The Baffler No. 19 To read more great writing from our past issues, click here. A secret question hovers over us, a se...- His tweet seemed innocent enough...
- I emailed David Graeber about the impossibility of antigravity, and he was very very cross with me...
http://twitter.com/Noahpinion/status/221059893665333248
— Noah Smith (@Noahpinion)Fri, Jul 06 2012 01:56:00 - Even with all this military tribute from China, we still haven't managed to produce antigravity...what gives???
http://twitter.com/Noahpinion/status/221061701041258496
— Noah Smith (@Noahpinion)Fri, Jul 06 2012 02:03:11 - But look who shows up
- @Noahpinion - wait, it wash't you who wrote the tweet on the subject several hours before that ended "what an idiot"?
http://twitter.com/davidgraeber/status/221108292544503808
— David Graeber (@davidgraeber)Fri, Jul 06 2012 05:08:19 - Now, the important thing to observe here is that Noah Smith didn't "@" Graeber, and Graeber doesn't follow Noah. So what we know is that David Graeber has an automatic web search on the twitters for himself.
In polite circles, we call that, being a naval gazing social media douchenozzle.
The conversation is preserved below, for posterity. - @davidgraeber Hmm, can't find the tweet now...if so I apologize...
http://twitter.com/Noahpinion/status/221265242766852096
— Noah Smith (@Noahpinion)Fri, Jul 06 2012 15:31:59 - @Noahpinion - that was all I was reacting to. If I'm mistaken and it was someone else then it's me who owes an apology
http://twitter.com/davidgraeber/status/221282153927938050
— David Graeber (@davidgraeber)Fri, Jul 06 2012 16:39:11 - @Noahpinion - anyway the antigrav was just a whimsical metaphor - point was that for 200 years our conceptions of what was possible (...)
http://twitter.com/davidgraeber/status/221282599803420672
— David Graeber (@davidgraeber)Fri, Jul 06 2012 16:40:57 - @Noahpinion (...) kept changing, for c50 it's been stable. It's possible we just got it all right now; I was exploring the other possibility
http://twitter.com/davidgraeber/status/221282998463643648
— David Graeber (@davidgraeber)Fri, Jul 06 2012 16:42:32 - @davidgraeber I don't think I would use the word "idiot", but I do tend not to censor myself on Twitter, so, sorry for whatever I did say...
http://twitter.com/Noahpinion/status/221294099477696512
— Noah Smith (@Noahpinion)Fri, Jul 06 2012 17:26:39 - @Noahpinion of course what _could_ have happened if historical circumstances were different is the one thing you can't possibly know
http://twitter.com/davidgraeber/status/221330596692115457
— David Graeber (@davidgraeber)Fri, Jul 06 2012 19:51:41 - @Noahpinion it's the ultimate limit to human knowledge; I've argued concepts like luck, fate, mana, sakti, are all ways of reflecting on it
http://twitter.com/davidgraeber/status/221330789013532672
— David Graeber (@davidgraeber)Fri, Jul 06 2012 19:52:26 - @davidgraeber Well, I think we can know. Our physics theories say there's no way to shield gravity. If those theories are right (1/2)...
http://twitter.com/Noahpinion/status/221336436253786112
— Noah Smith (@Noahpinion)Fri, Jul 06 2012 20:14:53 - @davidgraeber ...then they've been right throughout history. Same with the light barrier. It seems to be the law of the Universe.
http://twitter.com/Noahpinion/status/221336577048190976
— Noah Smith (@Noahpinion)Fri, Jul 06 2012 20:15:26 - @davidgraeber The question of why people (temporarily) believed that fantasy science would soon become reality is an interesting one...
http://twitter.com/Noahpinion/status/221343374270140416
— Noah Smith (@Noahpinion)Fri, Jul 06 2012 20:42:27 - @Noahpinion - the reason is because for c100 years. scifi fantasies regularly did become true. That was my starting point.
http://twitter.com/davidgraeber/status/221359016079667200
— David Graeber (@davidgraeber)Fri, Jul 06 2012 21:44:36 - @Noahpinion - if for example the top speed at which humans could travel had been increasing exponentially for generations, you don't (...)
http://twitter.com/davidgraeber/status/221359988122206209
— David Graeber (@davidgraeber)Fri, Jul 06 2012 21:48:28 - @Noahpinion - (...) need to come up with a special explanation for why people assumed that trend would continue and not suddenly stop
http://twitter.com/davidgraeber/status/221360100751847426
— David Graeber (@davidgraeber)Fri, Jul 06 2012 21:48:55 - @Noahpinion - my point was simpler: it seems unlikely we are not going to have any unexpected conceptual breakthroughs in science ever again
http://twitter.com/davidgraeber/status/221361666489716736
— David Graeber (@davidgraeber)Fri, Jul 06 2012 21:55:08 - @Noahpinion - obviously we don't know what they're going to be, or what exactly the technological implications will be
http://twitter.com/davidgraeber/status/221361795556851712
— David Graeber (@davidgraeber)Fri, Jul 06 2012 21:55:39 - @Noahpinion - the point is that such breakthroughs were pretty constant in the period roughly 1750-1950 but have now slowed or stopped
http://twitter.com/davidgraeber/status/221361990285787136
— David Graeber (@davidgraeber)Fri, Jul 06 2012 21:56:25 - @Noahpinion - it strikes me as unlikely this is because we've learned all there is to know (especially since people always think that)
http://twitter.com/davidgraeber/status/221362326870302720
— David Graeber (@davidgraeber)Fri, Jul 06 2012 21:57:46
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