- @Meaningness The primary importance of all systems of ethics is as a point of leverage to enforce group norms.
https://twitter.com/Jayarava/status/644871494854701057
— Jayarava | जयरव (@Jayarava)Fri, Sep 18 2015 13:52:00 - @Jayarava I don’t have much quarrel with the norms, but the pretense that they are Buddhist rubs me the wrong way.
https://twitter.com/Meaningness/status/644872380389548033
— David Chapman (@Meaningness)Fri, Sep 18 2015 13:55:31 - @Meaningness And yes, impurity is a major metaphor for this, *especially* in India!
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— Jayarava | जयरव (@Jayarava)Fri, Sep 18 2015 13:52:30 - @Jayarava Yes… In the case of “Consensus Buddhism,” the norms are mainstream American leftish norms. This gets called “Buddhist ethics…”
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— David Chapman (@Meaningness)Fri, Sep 18 2015 13:54:51 - @Meaningness And more broadly the norms of the liberal left in Europe too.
https://twitter.com/Jayarava/status/644872512250191872
— Jayarava | जयरव (@Jayarava)Fri, Sep 18 2015 13:56:02 - @Jayarava Yes… I try to generalized about “Western Buddhism” less since you pointed out to me that UK versions are not the same as American
https://twitter.com/Meaningness/status/644873046818357248
— David Chapman (@Meaningness)Fri, Sep 18 2015 13:58:10 - @Meaningness well... Buddhist ethics *do* have a definite content - e.g. pañcasīla, dasakusalakammapatha etc.
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— Jayarava | जयरव (@Jayarava)Fri, Sep 18 2015 13:58:21 - @Meaningness And a definite rationale (or two)
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— Jayarava | जयरव (@Jayarava)Fri, Sep 18 2015 13:59:04 - @Jayarava Yeah, but the Consensus allows vast, nebulous loopholes in those, so they’re completely non-operative although paid lipservice too
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— David Chapman (@Meaningness)Fri, Sep 18 2015 13:59:59 - @Jayarava Karma and compassion?
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— David Chapman (@Meaningness)Fri, Sep 18 2015 14:00:20 - @Meaningness The main rationale of Buddhist ethics is to obtain a better rebirth. That is at the forefront especially for laypeople.
https://twitter.com/Jayarava/status/644873671077679104
— Jayarava | जयरव (@Jayarava)Fri, Sep 18 2015 14:00:39 - @Jayarava “Buddhists are required to avoid sexual misconduct, but it is not clear what this means in California.”—Quote < Consensus Teacher
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— David Chapman (@Meaningness)Fri, Sep 18 2015 14:02:11 - @Meaningness For full-time meditators it helps to make the mind amenable to concentrated states, culminating in the experience of cessation.
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— Jayarava | जयरव (@Jayarava)Fri, Sep 18 2015 14:02:37 - @Meaningness The main rationale of Buddhist ethics is to obtain a better rebirth. That is at the forefront especially for laypeople.
https://twitter.com/Jayarava/status/644873671077679104
— Jayarava | जयरव (@Jayarava)Fri, Sep 18 2015 14:00:39 - @Jayarava In Asia, yes. Consensus “Buddhist ethics” does its best to hide that fact.
https://twitter.com/Meaningness/status/644874201547960320
— David Chapman (@Meaningness)Fri, Sep 18 2015 14:02:45 - @Jayarava Yes… so, in many contexts, “sila” is better translated “pre-meditative practice discipline” than ethics.
https://twitter.com/Meaningness/status/644874530683359232
— David Chapman (@Meaningness)Fri, Sep 18 2015 14:04:03 - @Meaningness you may have seen me distinguish between sīla (ethics) and saṃvara (discipline) recently? Quite different.
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— Jayarava | जयरव (@Jayarava)Fri, Sep 18 2015 14:05:08 - @jonathanglick @Jayarava I’m actually critiquing a critique of the secularists (but not defending the secularists). Plague on both houses!
https://twitter.com/Meaningness/status/644875634104111104
— David Chapman (@Meaningness)Fri, Sep 18 2015 14:08:27 - @jonathanglick @Jayarava http://www.existentialbuddhist.com/2013/12/in-defense-of-mindfulness/ … is a fairly decent statement of the secularist side of the argument
https://twitter.com/Meaningness/status/644875923720835072
— David Chapman (@Meaningness)Fri, Sep 18 2015 14:09:36 - @jonathanglick @Jayarava The locus classicus for the Buddhist side is http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ron-purser/beyond-mcmindfulness_b_3519289.html … one of the most incoherent rambles I’ve ever
https://twitter.com/Meaningness/status/644876302990774273
— David Chapman (@Meaningness)Fri, Sep 18 2015 14:11:06 - @Meaningness @jonathanglick yeah. I can't even read this kind of drivel. skimmed the other one.
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— Jayarava | जयरव (@Jayarava)Fri, Sep 18 2015 14:16:23 - @Meaningness Interpreting the 3rd precept for a Western context is interesting. Westerners are *very* naive. So have to be treated like kids
https://twitter.com/Jayarava/status/644878367439876096
— Jayarava | जयरव (@Jayarava)Fri, Sep 18 2015 14:19:18 - @Meaningness Groups must have norms however, or they don't cohere and bestow the advantages inherent in groups.
https://twitter.com/Jayarava/status/644879135836401664
— Jayarava | जयरव (@Jayarava)Fri, Sep 18 2015 14:22:21 - @Jayarava Thanks, yes, I remember now and have re-read. Comports with my general understanding (but not with that of most American Buddhists
https://twitter.com/Meaningness/status/644879159047491584
— David Chapman (@Meaningness)Fri, Sep 18 2015 14:22:27 - @Meaningness It's an ideal, though, conveyed in myth and legend. It's not clear that *anyone* did or does it. Buddhists hate this :-)
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— Jayarava | जयरव (@Jayarava)Fri, Sep 18 2015 14:24:13
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