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Sat, Jul 16 2011 02:19:58

Why it's important to kill off the Pissed-off Taxpayer meme | #TOpoli

The Shiny Object of last fall's municipal election. Anyone who helped make the conversation all about that (and I'm looking at you too, George ... ) bears part of the responsibility for the current Team Ford clusterfuck.

  1. thekeenanwire
    Ladies and gentlemen, @marcusbgee is seeing clearly--Ford math is nonsense: http://bit.ly/omiF67 #topoli (via @michaelshapcott)
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    Fri, Jul 15 2011 23:49:49
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  2. UnionSt
    @thekeenanwire Is he? Seems Gee (& others) complaint isn't cuts but that they're not being made "humanely." They want foreplay?
    UnionSt
    Sat, Jul 16 2011 00:06:48
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  3. thekeenanwire
    @UnionSt I did not say he was a socialist. I said he sees clearly: that the mayor is reckless, and doesn't make any sense.
    thekeenanwire
    Sat, Jul 16 2011 00:12:53
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  4. thekeenanwire
    @UnionSt Reasonable people can have an argument--a heated one even--about what to do. But people who don't even pretend to care about...
    thekeenanwire
    Sat, Jul 16 2011 00:15:14
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  5. thekeenanwire
    @UnionSt ...facts and math and the difference between revenue and expenses are in a diff. world. Gee is realizing Ford is such an alien.
    thekeenanwire
    Sat, Jul 16 2011 00:17:12
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  6. UnionSt
    @thekeenanwire Fordenstein a creature of Gee's (& others - incld Smitherman's) making. Wasn't alone w his "Toronto has a spending prob" msg.
    UnionSt
    Sat, Jul 16 2011 00:25:56
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  7. thekeenanwire
    @UnionSt all the better that he's coming around, then. Best hope--only hope--is that people who supported Ford realize they bought a con job
    thekeenanwire
    Sat, Jul 16 2011 00:27:42
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  8. thekeenanwire
    @unionst Or, if not a con job, they mistook an idiot for a prophet.
    thekeenanwire
    Sat, Jul 16 2011 00:29:11
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  9. UnionSt
    @thekeenanwire If Ford starts using big phrases like "austerity measures" he'll win back Gee overnight...
    UnionSt
    Sat, Jul 16 2011 00:49:40
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  10. orwellsbastard
    @UnionSt @thekeenanwire Gee bears part of the responsibility for helping him win in the first place, so not that long a journey.
    orwellsbastard
    Sat, Jul 16 2011 00:55:06
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  11. thekeenanwire
    @UnionSt I'm prepared to praise and criticize columns according to their contents without trying to test their authors to ideological purity
    thekeenanwire
    Sat, Jul 16 2011 00:56:42
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  12. thekeenanwire
    @orwellsbastard @unionst Remember when Dalton Camp became a leftist critic of Harris and Chretien. Like St Paul on the road to Damascus.
    thekeenanwire
    Sat, Jul 16 2011 00:59:22
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  13. thekeenanwire
    @orwellsbastard @unionst I'm prepared to line up beside converts who have seen the light. Even temporarily.
    thekeenanwire
    Sat, Jul 16 2011 01:00:07
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  14. thekeenanwire
    @orwellsbastard @unionst anyhow, I liked that column. I haven't liked too many of his. So I pointed it out. Not nominating him for mayor.
    thekeenanwire
    Sat, Jul 16 2011 01:02:27
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  15. orwellsbastard
    @thekeenanwire @unionst I remember watching Dalton Camp on a TVO panel years ago with Ezra IrreLevant. Little shit kept interrupting ...
    orwellsbastard
    Sat, Jul 16 2011 01:03:21
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  16. orwellsbastard
    @thekeenanwire @unionst I wanted to reach into the screen and smack him. What stayed with me was the look of incredulity on Camp's face ...
    orwellsbastard
    Sat, Jul 16 2011 01:04:37
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  17. thekeenanwire
    @orwellsbastard @unionst Surprise, surprise.
    thekeenanwire
    Sat, Jul 16 2011 01:04:09
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  18. orwellsbastard
    @thekeenanwire @unionst Camp was a gentleman. He just couldn't fathom how anyone could possibly be so crass and ill-mannered.
    orwellsbastard
    Sat, Jul 16 2011 01:06:05
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  19. thekeenanwire
    @orwellsbastard @unionst Ezra has that effect on a lot of people.
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    Sat, Jul 16 2011 01:07:01
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  20. timfalconer
    Ain't it the truth. RT @orwellsbastard: @UnionSt @thekeenanwire Gee bears part of responsibility for helping [Ford] win in the first place
    timfalconer
    Sat, Jul 16 2011 01:08:10
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  21. UnionSt
    @orwellsbastard @timfalconer @thekeenanwire "…anyone who helped perpetuate the 'pissed-off taxpayer'" Included Ford's closest rival.
    UnionSt
    Sat, Jul 16 2011 01:16:22
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  22. timfalconer
    @orwellsbastard @unionst @thekeenanwire Think many journalists who covered Miller did a dishonest or incompetent job (except John Barber)
    timfalconer
    Sat, Jul 16 2011 01:17:25
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  23. thekeenanwire
    @UnionSt @orwellsbastard @timfalconer yup. Gave away the race by letting the slowest guy define the pace.
    thekeenanwire
    Sat, Jul 16 2011 01:17:19
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  24. thekeenanwire
    @timfalconer @orwellsbastard @unionst I think none of them took him seriously until it was almost over.
    thekeenanwire
    Sat, Jul 16 2011 01:18:49
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  25. orwellsbastard
    @timfalconer @unionst @thekeenanwire Which is why we need to have an honest conversation about taxation. Call me a starry-eyed idealist.
    orwellsbastard
    Sat, Jul 16 2011 01:19:24
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