How do you put a value on design?

An interesting conversation about the value of design and how to charge for it between Pat Dryburgh and Geoff Teehan.

  1. You should be charging for your output, not your time. Think about that next time you take on work. (via @gt)
  2. @tomcreighton I couldn't disagree more. This is the exact problem we discussed earlier: design is not a deliverable. + @gt
  3. @patdryburgh Are output and deliverables the same thing? I would argue not. + @gt
  4. @gt I still charge by time, but factor value into the cost of that time. + @tomcreighton
  5. @patdryburgh @tomcreighton if I can solve a problem in minutes is it less valuable then if I spent months?
  6. @gt No, but if a problem is solvable in minutes, is it that difficult of a problem that you should be charging for months of work?
  7. @patdryburgh @tomcreighton Outcomes, not deliverables.Otherwise,you're incentive is 2 build stuff, when in fact,a simpler solution may exist
  8. @gt Only if your drive is to make money. Those of us who only make money in order to make great products won't have that problem.
  9. @patdryburgh I hear that, it's noble, but subconsciously it's going limit your willingness to explore ideas that don't involve making shit.
  10. @patdryburgh I recall a story where an agency was asked to create a campaign & site to sell themepark tickets. They sold them on craigslist.
  11. @patdryburgh They understood and agreed upon the desired outcome and value and they conceived of an idea to achieve it that req little time
  12. @patdryburgh the client was willing to pay $X dollars to sell them, whether or not it involved building a site or selling them on craigslist
  13. @patdryburgh time or effort had nothing to do with it. The only thing that mattered was achieving the desired outcome.
  14. @patdryburgh last thing I promise. This is an amazing source of info on the matter. Life changing. verasage.com/index.php/Main…
  15. @gt This discussion reminds me of the story of Paul Rand designing the NeXT logo. “I will solve your problem for you and you will pay me.”
  16. @patdryburgh Measuring value by time is like plunging a ruler into your oven to determine its temperature...
  17. @patdryburgh ...Value is based on results created for the customer, not the time it takes you to do something. @ronaldbaker wrote that.
  18. @gt I don't mean to suggest a solution's value is based solely on time or effort spent. But time is a factor to consider; my time has value.
  19. @gt A plumber faces two clogged pipes. One requires an hour's work, the other requires 8. Does the plumber charge the same for both?
  20. @gt The value in the end is the same: the pipe is no longer clogged and I can flush my toilet again.
  21. @patdryburgh If the plumber finishes the job in 30 secs I don't expect to pay him for 30secs worth of work.
  22. @gt But if it takes him 8 hours do you expect to pay him for 1?
  23. @patdryburgh We'd both agree up front what my desired outcome is and agree on what price I'm willing to pay. so yes.

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