Secularism and democracy
A Twitter debate between myself and Jacques Berlinerblau, author of How to be Secular.
- Last week, on my blog Pandaemonium, I reviewed sociologist Jacques Berlinerblau's book How to be Secular. I was critical of the book, suggesting that Berlinerblau'sargument 'is deeply flawed and many of its political consequences troubling'. In particular, he had, I wrote, 'a deeply undemocratic vision of secularism'. Berlinerblau took umbrage on Twitter at my characterisation of his arguments. Twitter is not the best medium to have nuanced debate on these kinds of issues, but it was an interesting discussion (the heart of which was a debate not so much about secularism as about democracy) so I have curated the tweets (slightly reordered to make better sense of the discussion), with some comments thrown in. I hope, however that Jacques Berlinerblau takes up my offer to publish on Pandaemonium any lengthy response he wishes to write.
- @kenanmalik Would it be asking too much for a reviewer to spell my name correctly? Berlinerbrau? As for the arguments you misread . . .
- I had misspelt Berlinerblau's name in one paragraph in my original review. As I said, I need a proofer for Pandaemonium - and not just on this occasion.
- @kenanmalik You mangled my argument on democratic majorities. Please read p. 194/5 again. "Secularism needs people"-i.e., more of the demos
- @berlinerblau But you also say that secularism should not be overturned by majority will. Happy for you to respond on the blog if you wish.
- @kenanmalik Thus, secularism must ABANDON reliance on the old Lockean assumptions. They don't work when 3 branches of gov. don't buy them
- @kenanmalik That's a "radical rethink," I think. You may not agree. But it's an engagement with those first principles
- @berlinerblau [1/2] If I have misread you, my apologies. But that's the argument that comes through the book...
- @berlinerblau [2/2] that you want pluralism, that protection of pluralism requires order, and that secularism is a means of creating order.
- @berlinerblau You recognise the need for popular support but you also see secularism as in some sense prior to democracy (eg pp15-16)
- @kenanmalik Those are DESCRIPTIVE sections =what the theory of classical secularism maintained. My ideas in the conclusion are PRESCRIPTIVE
- @berlinerblau Come on, you even draw the parallel with the Tea Party and taxation….
- In the section of the Berlinerblau's book we are discussing, he lays out John Locke's argument that secularism cannot be undermined by democratic will. 'On certain issues', as Berlinerblau observes about Locke's argument, 'the will of the people is to be ignored'. There are, Berlinerblau argues, 'two ways to look at this Lockean escape clause'. One 'is to concede that antidemocratic urges abound in secularism'. A second 'more charitable assessment sees secularism as something prior to, or something that undergrids, democracy... There is no democratic "override" of certain secular precepts because that override would signal the end of democracy'. Berlinerblau accepts this second interpretation, and not just as a means of understanding Locke's argument, but as the reality of the relationship between secularism and democracy, a point he makes by drawing the parallel with taxation: 'There must be taxes if a state is to function properly. Yet only remarkably civic-minded individuals feel cheerful when April 15 rolls around. As the activism of the Tea Party demonstrate, a large body of citizens may oppose laws that are necessary for the preservation of the democratic benefits they enjoy. Secularism too performs a vital, albeit highly unpopular civic function' [How to be Secular, p15]. Berlinerblau adds that, 'The job of secularism is to maintain order. For the citizen to reap the religious benefits of that order, she must make certain concessions. Call it, if you will, the Secular Compact' [How to be Secular, p15]. It seems clear (to me at least) that Berlinerblau is not simply making a descriptive point here, but a prescriptive one too. Indeed, he makes that same prescriptive point in the Twitter debate:
- @kenanmalik No contradiction. The Tea Party is doing the same thing to basic ideas which undergird Democracy as is the Christian Right
- @berlinerblau @kenanmalik A nuance I discussed: Democracy is often undergirded by un-Democratic assumptions, especially regarding majorities
- @berlinerblau Exactly. You're saying democracy depends on certain things and those things must be protected against the democratic will.
- @berlinerblau So you're agreeing with my pt that you believe that certain 'protections' - inc secularism - must be protected from democracy.
- @berlinerblau [1/2] The distinction you seem to make is between the need for popular support to promote secularism…
- @berlinerblau [2/2] …and the need for secularism to maintain order, even over the democratic will.
- @kenanmalik 1) I disagree with how you framed my argument. 2),I agree with your (my) point, intellectually. But politically it's not working
- @berlinerblau @kenanmalik That's why secularism needs to build membership, embrace "democracy,"--very opposite of what you claimed I said
- @berlinerblau You seem to be arguing (here and in the book) that 1. secularism needs be protected from the democratic will… [1/2]
- @berlinerblau [2/2] & 2. secularism needs popular support. You can argue pt 2 and still take anti-democratic stance as you seem to be doing.
- @kenanmalik Please read carefully. Your remarks on my views on order are also way off. The point you made on pluralism was intriguing though
- ɹǝɯɐןqKenan, "a deeply undemocratic vision of secularism" is alarmism that Jacques quashes with "Democracy is often undergirded by un-Democratic assumptions...Kenan, "a deeply undemocratic vision of secularism" is alarmism that Jacques quashes with "Democracy is often undergirded by un-Democratic assumptions, especially regarding majorities". Hence even if citizens wanted no taxes (or no church/state separation) a Lockean democracy cannot accomodate them. If the US has moved beyond Locke's principle of secularism, she's without Jefferson's wall. No protestant truce. No evangelical ceasefire. Americian biblical-politics will have entered a post-secularism era. So it's time for the Left try something new?more2012-12-28T11:36:41.206Z

