Moral Ambiguity? Claim Of Sexual Assault Versus Copyright Infringement
On Thursday, the Facebook section of the Internet demonstrated pitchfork mentality towards one Judith Griggs, who had allegedly asserted that content on the Web is public domain. On Friday, Google tech writer Noirin Shirley accused Google engineer Florian Leibert of sexual assult at an after-hours party during ApacheCon in Atlanta. Guess where the pitchforks were aimed this time? Blog post commenters and tweets attacked both Shirley and Leiber.
- @Storify timeline: Cooks Source Magazine and Judith Griggs.
- In the blog post (currently with a wonky permalink, no access to comments comments currently working), Noirin describes the assault.
- we headed to the Irish pub next door that has become our local. Some food, a few more beers. Squeezing everyone up so I could sit next to someone I wanted to talk to. Laughing at the events of the week, and the night. And then I went to the loo, and as I was about to go in, Florian Leibert, who had been speaking in the Hadoop track, called me over, and asked if he could talk to me. I’m on the board of Apache. I’m responsible for our conferences. I work on community development and mentoring.
- So this wasn’t an unusual request, and it wasn’t one I expected to end the way it did. He brought me in to the snug, and sat up on a stool. He grabbed me, pulled me in to him, and kissed me. I tried to push him off, and told him I wasn’t interested (I may have been less eloquent, but I don’t think I was less clear). He responded by jamming his hand into my underwear and fumbling.
- From the comments:Jo
Please don’t think i’m accusing you of fabricating this story but it concerns me greatly that this isn’t the first time you have blogged about being sexual assaulted and named the men involved. Why do you think it is ok for you to do this?
I don’t know who Florian Leibert is but without any proof of what happened you have essentially libeled him by making a (technically) baseless allegation of sexual assault.
- From the comments:Noirin
Thanks to all for your support.
Jo, thanks for pointing out the legal concern. I certainly didn’t post without thinking about it, but I think speaking out is important enough that I’m willing to take that risk – along with the risks of slut-shaming and other backlash.
- From the comments:
@Jo:
If someone assaulted me in a punch-up behind the pub, you bet your arse I’d name them on my blog if I recognized who they were. How is this any different?Noirin, there aren’t any words. Thank you for being so courageous and awesome in general.
- From the comments:David W.
This is a sensitive subject, and quite possibly you are the victim of a crime, however it is impossible to ignore that a further sin in many ways as bad as the original has been committed here, and that is to deny fair trial, which is very much what you have done here (just check some of the results for a Twitter search on @flo right now).
I can only hope you are beyond all doubt the situation described above could not have been perceived any differently, particularly when after using language such as “told him I wasn’t interested (I may have been less eloquent, but I don’t think I was less clear”.
Not cool (either way).
- From the comments:Etrigan
I’m really worried about how quick people are to believe an allegation after hearing only one side of the story.
Anyone with a bit of life experience knows that things always look very different after hearing the other side. You say there was a lot of drinking and that you were flirting with a number of guys.
Not to blame you, but that there is a recipe for disaster. People ALWAYS tell stories to make themselves come off as the victim or innocent. By leaving things out or exaggerating others. The truth is usually not so black and white.
I have no clue what happened, but wouldn’t be so quick to take sides.
- From the comments:Chuck
The guy who touched you is a jerk and an embarassment to the male sex.
However, I have no sympathy for you. You dress provocatively and expect men to leave you alone. When a woman does that, it’s exactly analogous to a man using his physical strength to overpower a woman. This is because just as women usually have no defense against a stronger male, men have no or little defense against their hormones when they see certain parts of the female body exposed in front of them. Dressing as you did is unfair; it puts undue burden on the men around you by taking advantage of their weak point. You’re foolish and naive for expecting to escape the evening without incident.
- From the comments:Andrew J Smith
Posting names on the internet when this is an allegation is terrible. You should raise it with the correct authorities first and if he’s found guilty then by all means paste his name around.
..also I think you might look/act like a slut.
- From the comments:voiceofreason
Sorry you had a bad evening but hell, who do you think hangs out late at night in bars – church goers?
Grow up and learn from this and apparently your other experiences.
And bad form on naming names unless you intend to press charges.
- From the comments:
Here via a friend who works at BARCC.
I wish I could say something to take away the people who don’t realize how many people this happens to, every damned year, who are told exactly to keep their mouths shut. That she indicated that she’s gone to the police on this matter should indicate some seriousness about the situation, moreso than trying to slag someone’s rep.
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Given the pain of this crime on many levels, including what you folks are doing, I’m on her side. I know, again from experience, how people react to talking about these issues online, and it’s NEVER easy, never fun, never done as a lark or a joke. I hope more people commenting will think about this, and rework their actions to be better supporters, and less judgmental. Why? Because there are a lot more people dealing with these issues than you know, and they need your support, dammit, not your approbation and concern trolling. Your actions here do nothing to support those people — or her, initial displays of sympathy aside.
- From the comments:Wahiaronkwas
I am so sorry for what you’ve gone through. Ignore the cowards leaving the abusive comments. They’re just showing what kind of people are out there.
“The attitude inherent in your comment– your default assumption that it’s *not* okay to say what happened or name names– is EXACTLY THE REASON WHY it isn’t the first time it happened.”
That’s why a lot of assaults on women don’t get reported.
- From the comments:red boolean logic and vodka
Good luck to you in amending your behavior so as to avoid such incidents going forward.
- From the comments:
To those of you who feel it is proper to argue that she should have withheld Florian’s name, then I would very much encourage you read this deconstruction/argument around that: http://goo.gl/qvGD4
The short answer is that the various outcomes lean towards Noirin’s naming of Florian, as an attacker, as a proper outcome of the situation.
I was present for most of the night, my specific commentary and statements are on Quora: http://goo.gl/RinzC
The net result is that I’ll believe Noirin. Absolutely. I support her strength, courage, and willingness to face the bullshit to do the Right Thing.
- Gawker (among others) questions the naming of names:"If her allegations are true, it's great that she blogged about the incident. Especially given the piggishness regularly displayed in the comments section of any tech blog, and the apparent prevalence of guys being creepy at conferences... But identifying the guy was not the best move, as it drags the issue into the morass of moral ambiguity surrounding public accusations of serious crimes."
- ShaunTKennedy comments on the Gawker article:
- I don't think, as a rule, "tech people" are awkward, maladjusted or socially retarded people when it comes to matters that extend beyond the tech world. That's a really unfair generalization to make, as are nearly all broad-stroke generalizations. This thread, though, it a brilliant example of why that stereotype exists and persists.
- Gawker also points out that TechCrunch pulled its story.
- On Thursday, Google technical writer Noirin Shirley accused Twitter software engineer Florian Leibert of sexual assault on her personal blog. TechCrunch staffer Alexia Tsotsis picked up the story, writing the post, "Googler Accuses Twitter Engineer Of Sexual Assault, Trial By Twitter Commences," late on Friday. By Saturday morning, however, the link was dead.
- In comments, Dominant Glee Club writes:
- Maybe TechCrunch didn't want to participate in an unsubstantiated overshare? I'm not saying the guy is innocent—I'm saying there should maybe be more deliberation before broadcasting that someone is accused of sexual assault—whether by the accuser or legitimate news outlets—because that's a mark that doesn't fade. No one should be tried in public before they're tried in court.
- On Monday, MediaBistro chimed in:
