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Reactions to TJC's Updated Equine Fatality Rates

  1. On December 15, 2010, the Jockey Club released updated equine fatalities stats drawn from two years of data in the Equine Injury Database. A "statistically significant" difference was found between fatality rates over dirt and synthetics surfaces.
  2. TTimes
    From @tcfranks - Synthetic surfaces boast fewer fatal breakdowns than dirt according to Jockey Club statistics http://bit.ly/eImnmP
    TTimes
    Wed, Dec 15 2010 10:58:12
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  3. How to interpret the findings was discussed:
  4. joedrape
    Why's horse racing dying?: Data shows synthetics.reduce fatalities. Industry wants to tear them up (via FollowBolson) http://bit.ly/e2sAfN
    joedrape
    Wed, Dec 15 2010 17:03:31
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  5. EJXD2
    @joedrape 1 more death on dirt versus synthetic for every 1,695 starters. You really think that's what's keeping people away?
    EJXD2
    Wed, Dec 15 2010 21:37:52
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  6. joedrape
    @EJXD2@AlGoggin Lack of support for synthetics is symptomatic of tone deaf industry. 1 of 1,635 matters to casual fan, & it should to you
    joedrape
    Thu, Dec 16 2010 08:26:34
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  7. EJXD2
    @AlGoggin @joedrape breakdowns definitely keep fans away. I didn't mean to suggest otherwise.
    EJXD2
    Wed, Dec 15 2010 22:26:44
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  8. EJXD2
    @ejplantain @nythoroughbred @jnchapel @o_crunk The lie is using the data released today to say "synthetic safer". The stats are true.
    EJXD2
    Wed, Dec 15 2010 19:07:06
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  9. ejplantain
    @EJXD2 @nythoroughbred @jnchapel @o_crunk sorry, I'm being a nay-sayer. My real issue is indeed improper interpretation
    ejplantain
    Wed, Dec 15 2010 19:10:02
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  10. TbredReport
    From Jockey Club safety report: The statistics included here do not imply anything about the relative safety of a racing surface
    TbredReport
    Wed, Dec 15 2010 15:07:27
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  11. As was the reliability and meaning of the data collected by TJC:
  12. nythoroughbred
    @jnchapel I know of at least one horse that was a training fatality in NY that was not reported to the EID. Reporting not accurate.
    nythoroughbred
    Wed, Dec 15 2010 19:52:09
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  13. GlennCraven
    @EJXD2 Study says they count. But who is holding the tracks accountable? Isn't it voluntarily submitted data? Does anyone check behind them?
    GlennCraven
    Wed, Dec 15 2010 18:51:10
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  14. o_crunk
    @jnchapel The info they have released is meaningless and only fuels the surface partisans. The info is pretty much useless without context.
    o_crunk
    Wed, Dec 15 2010 18:57:11
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  15. Questions were asked about the raw data:
  16. o_crunk
    @EJXD2 Who has the raw data and where can one view it? Something other than a couple of charts.
    o_crunk
    Wed, Dec 15 2010 18:46:20
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  17. EJXD2
    @o_crunk raw data not available for public. TJC fears it would make tracks less likely to share info & that it would be misinterpreted
    EJXD2
    Wed, Dec 15 2010 18:48:49
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  18. BklynBckstretch
    @EJXD2 @o_crunk @jnchapel Last summer Scollay said concern was tracks, as opposed to individuals, being labeled as "bad" or "good"
    BklynBckstretch
    Wed, Dec 15 2010 21:48:04
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  19. o_crunk
    @EJXD2 That would be a big story if someone could get their hands on the raw data. Wonder how many peeps have access to it.
    o_crunk
    Wed, Dec 15 2010 19:25:32
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  20. If a dataset were available, people had ideas for how to use it:
  21. EJXD2
    @jnchapel @o_crunk I'd certainly like to compare owner/trainer rates against standard deviation
    EJXD2
    Wed, Dec 15 2010 18:55:16
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  22. o_crunk
    @jnchapel I'm particularly interested in class levels. Not even that interested in track, surface, etc.
    o_crunk
    Wed, Dec 15 2010 18:56:09
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  23. jnchapel
    @EJXD2 That would be very revealing. @o_crunk I'm also interested in class, and would like to compare by pedigree, as well as by surface.
    jnchapel
    Wed, Dec 15 2010 18:58:37
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  24. superterrific
    @jnchapel @EJXD2 @o_crunk is it incorrect to think that they probably don't want anyone to analyze that data by pedigree?
    superterrific
    Wed, Dec 15 2010 19:51:39
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  25. ejplantain
    @GlennCraven @EJXD2 @superterrific @jnchapel @o_crunk I know a gal who was trying to get data on breakdown by Pedigree - very tough
    ejplantain
    Wed, Dec 15 2010 20:40:07
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