#natsecinquiry

New surveillance powers are on the table with few Australians aware of them. After reading a few articles, I decided to play devil's advocate to try to deconstruct the issue. (See the Crikey overview: http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/07/10/government-unveils-huge-wishlist-of-new-surveillance-powers/).

  1. I've only read a bit... does anyone want to school me on why mandatory 2yr data retention is bad? (open question, not being provocative)
  2. @mikeb476 Yep, I have that sketch. But are the arguments a matter of securty vs privacy? (I deliberately have n00b hat on)
  3. @foomeister uh. It's a matter of human rights. Should the govt have the right to read everything you say/do on the net?
  4. @mikeb476 1/ Which human right, specifically? No overt freedom/ entitlement curtailed? 2/ So case for security/ data mining is not there?
  5. @foomeister retaining everyone's data, treating all like potential criminal
  6. @PointZeroOne Thanks. On that point, why is it a bad thing? (just deconstructing)
  7. @foomeister *think* it relates to global secret security and copyright treaties too
  8. @foomeister my surface impression is if Orwell had written a Yes Minister episode.
  9. @foomeister recalling some details - a lot of proposals are weakening existing oversight/restrictions/accountability also.
  10. @foomeister For what kind of data? (And, if we're talking U.S. federal law, what specific provision of the Constitution authorizes it?)
  11. @foomeister @Asher_Wolf They'll use it against us as "evidence" if we're ever held under suspicion & unethical surveillance
  12. @CAPT_Irrelevant OK. Secondary question: In what circumstances is surveillance ethical, then? @Asher_Wolf
  13. @foomeister @Asher_Wolf Private/corporate networks monitoring staff browsing habits between work & leisure
  14. Devil's advocate: If I'm a private citizen with no crim history, perfectly dull, why should data retention/mining matter? #natsecinquiry
  15. @foomeister Depends on who had the data, gov is bad. Otherwise, not a big deal IMO.
  16. @foomeister Reason gov is particularly bad is because laws can still legally retrospectively change.
  17. @foomeister If somebody asked me for all books, magazines, leaflets, correspondence
  18. @foomeister and love letters I'd written, shared or read in the last 2 yrs, I'd be appalled.
  19. @foomeister and worse: they want access to private conversations, between friends, lovers, journos, & activists?
  20. .@Asher_Wolf OK that's a good analogy: physically handing over every form of correspondence written, shared or read, plus phone records.

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