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Tue, Jul 26 2011 08:43:14

Elite vs Elitist

  1. dajbelshaw
    RT @GuardianEdu: A school has different colour uniforms for gifted & talented pupils. A step too far? <--WTF?
    dajbelshaw
    Mon, Jul 25 2011 12:23:42
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  2. IanYorston
    @dajbelshaw - Both Eton and Winchester put their Scholars into separate boarding houses.
    IanYorston
    Mon, Jul 25 2011 13:27:30
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  3. dajbelshaw
    @IanYorston I think there's a difference between 'elite' and 'elitist' - don't you think?
    dajbelshaw
    Mon, Jul 25 2011 13:36:46
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  4. IanYorston
    @dajbelshaw - Well, arguably an "elitist" strategy will encourage more people to strive for "Elite" status. #BBCmicro #Eton #Oxbridge #ManU
    IanYorston
    Mon, Jul 25 2011 13:44:21
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  5. dajbelshaw
    @IanYorston No, that's a fallacious argument. Being elitist about sports doesn't lead to elite athletes. Lacrosse anyone?
    dajbelshaw
    Mon, Jul 25 2011 13:52:54
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  6. IanYorston
    @dajbelshaw - I suspect you're confusing "niche marketing" with "elitism". Mind you, we have a Lacrosse team at Radley so I may be confused.
    IanYorston
    Mon, Jul 25 2011 13:58:13
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  7. IanYorston
    .@dajbelshaw - I take it that you interpret "elitism" in such a manner as to think that it's a bad thing ? But think "elite" troops are OK ?
    IanYorston
    Mon, Jul 25 2011 14:00:55
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  8. dajbelshaw
    @IanYorston No, elite is fine. Elitist is not.
    dajbelshaw
    Mon, Jul 25 2011 14:07:50
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  9. IanYorston
    @dajbelshaw - Wife, educated at comprehensive school, has just admitted to playing Lacrosse. Does this help ? #WhoKnew #Married18Years
    IanYorston
    Mon, Jul 25 2011 15:01:06
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  10. dajbelshaw
    @IanYorston Blog post forthcoming! I think the problem with being 'elitist' are the associated barriers to entry.
    dajbelshaw
    Mon, Jul 25 2011 15:01:59
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  11. IanYorston
    @dajbelshaw - I suspect the "associated barriers to entry" are a form of post-hoc protectionism.
    IanYorston
    Mon, Jul 25 2011 15:16:46
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  12. dajbelshaw
    @IanYorston Exactly. That doesn't make them justifiable though, does it?
    dajbelshaw
    Mon, Jul 25 2011 15:17:12
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  13. IanYorston
    @dajbelshaw - "associated barriers to entry" are "associated". They aren't part of the "elitism" except as a misinterpretation of the word.
    IanYorston
    Mon, Jul 25 2011 16:43:04
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  14. dajbelshaw
    @IanYorston Have you looked up a definition of 'elitism' recently, Ian?
    dajbelshaw
    Tue, Jul 26 2011 01:17:35
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  15. IanYorston
    @dajbelshaw - "elitism - consciousness of or pride in belonging to a select or favoured group" - from Dictionary.com
    IanYorston
    Tue, Jul 26 2011 07:10:23
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  16. IanYorston
    @dajbelshaw - interesting to note that the linguistic derivation of "elite" is originally via the word "elected".
    IanYorston
    Tue, Jul 26 2011 07:15:44
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  17. dajbelshaw
    @IanYorston Possibly, but there's more than a whiff of post hoc ergo propter hoc when it comes to elites justifying elitism. ;-)
    dajbelshaw
    Tue, Jul 26 2011 07:56:11
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  18. IanYorston
    @dajbelshaw - You may be right that the failure is mine. But I wonder if you are focused on one interpretation of meaning, and I on another.
    IanYorston
    Tue, Jul 26 2011 07:55:05
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