- What is UP with comedians this week? Did they get a "hey, dudes, let's all be douchey about women!" memo? Simon Pegg tweeted these gems this morning from San Diego Comic-Con.
- [The image in his second tweet is a group shot of slave Leia cosplayers.) This kind of attitude is really common and really destructive. It reduces cosplayers down to objects, and suggests that they are NOT fellow geeks, but actually decoration. They are only there to serve as fantasy fodder for male geeks. You know, the actual PEOPLE in this equation. (A good sign you're objectifying women: you're comparing them to food.) It's gross. So I told him so.
OMG @simonpegg, that is gross. Cosplayers do not actually exist to fulfill your sexual fantasies. #cosplay- Female geeks, even Leia cosplayers, are a part of the geek community. NOT DECORATION. @simonpegg #cosplay
- You may think you're being funny, @simonpegg, but you are objectifying geek women & discouraging more from identifying as geek. #cosplay
- And, of course, his response was dismissive.
- Yeah, because sexism is just so *interesting.* How edgy and new of you! RT @simonpegg: @[me] BORING!
- I don't think making a safe and comfortable environment for women in our communities is boring. RT @simonpegg: @[me] BORING!
- Here's the thing: "sexuality" is not about objectifying women. Actual sexuality is *being sexual.* Drooling over cosplay women, calling them "girls," and suggesting that their fandom and cosplaying are just there to get you off? That's not sexuality. That's just you being gross.
@cnstoker @simonpegg cosplayers are awesome for being passionate fans, not for getting somebody's rocks off.- Then he tried to pull the "it's not sexism if I didn't do it on purpose!" card.
- @simonpegg When the intention is not malicious, it still affects women and cosplayers! If you're actually against it, apologize.
- @simonpegg I research cosplay & do it myself, & I've spoken w/women who are hurt by this kind of attitude or who don't cosplay b/c of it.
- @simonpegg They don't feel welcome as full members of geek communities; that is truly sad.
- I thought I might actually be getting somewhere, so I tried to appeal to the side of him that may NOT want women to feel excluded from geek communities. I tried to point out that there is actual harm in this kind of nonsense. And his response was bullshit. (Are you seeing a pattern? Because I was.) He may have called my feminism outdated '90s shit, but his thinking is really like that. Sexism COUNTS, even when you don't offend the woman in question, or if you didn't do it on purpose.
- @simonpegg @cnstoker you offended this cosplayer. When I look sexy OR geeky I do it for me, not you.
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- Marissa Armstrongwhile Pegg's original comment strikes me as less than malicious, the way that he responded in the resulting conversation is inexcusable. 2012-11-02T19:11:34.130Z
- Corbo MiteAre men objectifying women a problem? Yes. Are women on crusades to be offended by men also a problem? Yes again. Sometimes it's very hard to tell if a...more2012-08-14T14:28:41.507Z
- VXLbeastPeople like you looking for a fight make me sick. I hope you feel great about yourself now that you won your little war. 2012-08-13T20:42:51.074Z
- Stella_OmegaThe people who damage the reputation of geeks are the ones who do shitty things-- not the people who talk about the shitty things these guys have done. 2012-07-31T22:08:48.129Z
- Andrew DiNannoCourtney I think you completely overreacted. Simon Pegg was just admiring those women. What you have done could easily scare women away from cosplaying and...more2012-07-29T16:25:20.216Z
- Stephen WorthingtonGratification =/= objectification. The fact that Pegg take pleasure in cosplayers doesn't mean that he believes that they exist solely for his pleasure. If...more2012-07-27T05:02:21.495Z
- Andrew LloydPegg basically said he found women who dress up a certain way attractive and nothing else in his original tweet. And this is news? Courtney, yours is one...more2012-07-25T07:04:09.640Z
- Henry Wilksarticles like this infuriate me, talk about the retarded side of feminism2012-07-25T02:50:32.946Z
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- Marissa Armstrongwhile Pegg's original comment strikes me as less than malicious, the way that he responded in the resulting conversation is inexcusable. 2012-11-02T19:11:34.130Z
- Corbo MiteAre men objectifying women a problem? Yes. Are women on crusades to be offended by men also a problem? Yes again. Sometimes it's very hard to tell if a...Are men objectifying women a problem? Yes. Are women on crusades to be offended by men also a problem? Yes again. Sometimes it's very hard to tell if a situation is one, the other, or both. I think if you take an outfit that was designed to have exactly this effect on men, and then wear it in public, either a skimpy cosplay at a convention or a skimpy bathing suit to a beach, you know exactly what is going to be going through the minds of the men who see you. However it is also incumbent on the men to oggle in a tasteful manner and not make lewd remarks. Though frankly, the inability to express that women are pretty without being accused of something is everything that men have hated about feminism since the 60s.more2012-08-14T14:28:41.507Z
- VXLbeastPeople like you looking for a fight make me sick. I hope you feel great about yourself now that you won your little war. 2012-08-13T20:42:51.074Z
- Stella_OmegaThe people who damage the reputation of geeks are the ones who do shitty things-- not the people who talk about the shitty things these guys have done. 2012-07-31T22:08:48.129Z
- Andrew DiNannoCourtney I think you completely overreacted. Simon Pegg was just admiring those women. What you have done could easily scare women away from cosplaying and...Courtney I think you completely overreacted. Simon Pegg was just admiring those women. What you have done could easily scare women away from cosplaying and geekdom in general. People like you damage the reputation of all geeks. None of this would have happened if you hadn't complained to him about it. I think you have anger issues you need to deal with. Go see a therapist.more2012-07-29T16:25:20.216Z
- Mr. JStupid on all sides.2012-07-27T15:56:09.549Z
- Stephen WorthingtonGratification =/= objectification. The fact that Pegg take pleasure in cosplayers doesn't mean that he believes that they exist solely for his pleasure. If...Gratification =/= objectification. The fact that Pegg take pleasure in cosplayers doesn't mean that he believes that they exist solely for his pleasure. If cosplayers don't want to feel objectified, they should either interpret comments like Pegg's as validations of their sexuality. Claiming that men who use food-metaphors to express their sexual gratification do so in order to dehumanize women is an obsecenely hasty generalization at best, and misandristic at worst.more2012-07-27T05:02:21.495Z
- Andrew LloydPegg basically said he found women who dress up a certain way attractive and nothing else in his original tweet. And this is news? Courtney, yours is one...Pegg basically said he found women who dress up a certain way attractive and nothing else in his original tweet. And this is news? Courtney, yours is one massive and misplaced over-reaction.more2012-07-25T07:04:09.640Z
- Henry Wilksarticles like this infuriate me, talk about the retarded side of feminism2012-07-25T02:50:32.946Z
- Ian Blackanyone heard of Milly Tant from Viz?2012-07-24T22:36:28.789Z
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