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Thu, Jan 10 2013 17:00:46
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The Trials of iCloud

Supporting non-Key-Value Store implementations for iCloud have been a big pain for a great many developers. Some of the best in the industry have struggled with it and come away empty handed or with very sour tastes in their mouth.

  1. ibuys
    Jonathan Buys@ibuys
    I'm very disappointed in @blackpixel's treatment of NetNewsWire. I wish @brentsimmons could have kept it.
    Wed, Jan 09 2013 13:13:37
  2. brentsimmons
    Brent Simmons@brentsimmons
    @ibuys @blackpixel I understand your frustration, but I would have hit the same block they’ve hit.
    Wed, Jan 09 2013 13:24:45
  3. Cabel
    Cabel Maxfield Sasser@Cabel
    @brentsimmons (Whats the block? —Butting In)
    Wed, Jan 09 2013 17:29:22
  4. brentsimmons
    Brent Simmons@brentsimmons
    @Cabel It’s the worst thing possible. iCloud Core Data syncing.
    Wed, Jan 09 2013 17:51:59
  5. Cabel
    Cabel Maxfield Sasser@Cabel
    @brentsimmons Blarggghhhhhhhhh yep OK
    Wed, Jan 09 2013 17:52:22
  6. mike3k
    Mike Cohen@mike3k
    @brentsimmons @Cabel ugh.
    Wed, Jan 09 2013 18:09:24
  7. justin
    Justin Williams@justin
    @brentsimmons @Cabel I still don’t understand why it’s a road block. If it sucks, build something else (hopefully they are).
    Wed, Jan 09 2013 18:04:55
  8. brentsimmons
    Brent Simmons@brentsimmons
    @justin @cabel Realizing that you need to build something else, and then building it, takes time.
    Wed, Jan 09 2013 18:06:00
  9. ashponders
    Ash Ponders@ashponders
    @justin @brentsimmons @Cabel Sure. But Sync is hard, and we don’t need anymore Space Architecture projects. We need an RSS reader.
    Wed, Jan 09 2013 18:11:16
  10. Jury
    Michael Jurewitz@Jury
    @ashponders Sync _is_ hard, but iCloud isn’t all roses for everybody // @justin @brentsimmons @Cabel @atomicbird @siegel @tjw
    Wed, Jan 09 2013 18:26:56
  11. justin
    Justin Williams@justin
    @Jury @ashponders iCloud is roses for somebody? I don’t believe this.
    Wed, Jan 09 2013 18:27:43
  12. atomicbird
    Tom Harrington@atomicbird
    @justin @Jury @ashponders Yes it’s roses for someone. With big, sharp thorns. Everywhere.
    Wed, Jan 09 2013 19:44:05
  13. tjw
    Tim Wood@tjw
    @Jury @ashponders @justin @brentsimmons @Cabel @atomicbird @siegel “Own the Wheel”
    Wed, Jan 09 2013 20:41:19
  14. SteveStreza
    Steve Streza@SteveStreza
    As a user, I really want iCloud sync in games like @MJTheBlockheads. As a dev, I know why games don't do it.
    Thu, Jan 10 2013 10:56:15
  15. SteveStreza
    Steve Streza@SteveStreza
    This is why iCloud is so frustrating. Apple touts it as a feature that stuff should sync. But the tools devs have are hard to make work.
    Thu, Jan 10 2013 10:58:23
  16. SteveStreza
    Steve Streza@SteveStreza
    @Jury Behind Maps, iCloud is the thing we should be collectively pressuring Apple to seriously improve. The status quo is inadequate.
    Thu, Jan 10 2013 13:45:24
  17. samvermette
    Sam Vermette@samvermette
    @Jury @SteveStreza FWIW, even the key-value store isn't 100% reliable. We use it for syncing in-app subscriptions and it's a PITA.
    Thu, Jan 10 2013 13:45:51
  18. AndrewProjDent
    Andrew Hart@AndrewProjDent
    @Jury @SteveStreza I'm slowly building a collection of bookmarks of people ranting about iCloud and core data. It's mind-bogglingly bad.
    Thu, Jan 10 2013 13:46:47
  19. lorenb
    Loren Brichter@lorenb
    @SteveStreza @jury frankly I think the current architecture is a lost cause.
    Thu, Jan 10 2013 14:09:26
  20. zulfishah
    zulfishah@zulfishah
    @Jury as someone who has shipped with iCloud Core Data sync as an option, I agree. Works well in 90% of the time but 10% eats up all support
    Thu, Jan 10 2013 14:16:01
  21. zulfishah
    zulfishah@zulfishah
    @Jury worst is the loss of control over the process and data. If users' sync gets stuck, you only have the Delete All data option.
    Thu, Jan 10 2013 14:17:22
  22. zulfishah
    zulfishah@zulfishah
    @Jury but FWIW, works much better in iOS6, and hopefully more improvements coming up in next iOS update
    Thu, Jan 10 2013 14:18:13
  23. paulpilone
    Paul Pilone@paulpilone
    @Jury we spent 4 painful months implementing CD+iCloud. Miserable. Now on track to build our own.
    Thu, Jan 10 2013 15:45:41
  24. paulpilone
    Paul Pilone@paulpilone
    @zulfishah @Jury even with iOS 6 there are major issues. e.g. NSPersistentStoreCoordinator migration is unreliable devforums.apple.com/message/754554…
    Thu, Jan 10 2013 16:58:59

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